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This is what happens whe you play hostage with raising the debt ceiling. Obama should have used the 14th amendment and just raised the debt ceiling without congress tripping over itself to try to find a "compromise" bill. This just proves Obama is an extremely weak progressive. if you want a moderate Republican, Obama's your man!
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ShaDoWLesS
This is what happens whe you play hostage with raising the debt ceiling. Obama should have used the 14th amendment and just raised the debt ceiling without congress tripping over itself to try to find a "compromise" bill. This just proves Obama is an extremely weak progressive. if you want a moderate Republican, Obama's your man!
agreed, sometimes he seems more concerned with bipartisanship than doing what needs to be done. just as much the dems fault as it is the republicans.
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i agree with all youre saying.
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This is what happens when you live in an uneducated Democracy.
People who are Economic illiterates vote and support people who either don't know what the fuck they're doing or they're just flat out crooks, and then the same people cry and scream "RUN FOR THE HILLS, THEY'RE DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!" when things turn bad.
Well, how do you think these people got into such an influential place to begin with?
Society should be based in a horizontal bottom up Meritocracy based in Individual Sovereignty and free will.
Not Representational Democracy that inevitably devolves into Oligarchy, something that the Ancient Greeks (the fathers of Democracy) knew.
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First of all, we are not a democracy. We are a republic. Secondly progressives are the reason were 14.3 trillion in debt... Progressives on both sides...
Keynesian economics is bullshit and so are entitlements. Save for your own retirement or don't retire. I know it sounds harsh, but NO ONE is owed anything from the government.
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First of all, we are not a democracy. We are a republic. Secondly progressives are the reason were 14.3 trillion in debt... Progressives on both sides...
Keynesian economics is bullshit and so are entitlements. Save for your own retirement or don't retire. I know it sounds harsh, but NO ONE is owed anything from the government.
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"The United States relies on representative democracy, but its system of government is much more complex than that. It is not a simple representative democracy, but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered."[
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King
agreed, sometimes he seems more concerned with bipartisanship than doing what needs to be done. just as much the dems fault as it is the republicans.
I don't see this as the Dems fault at all. It was these new tea party freshman who are truly ignorant on poilicy matters demanding unrealistic things like a balanced budget amendment to the constitution, no tax increases and massive spending cuts (which weren't the right things to cut). Boehnner basically sucked them all off, and admitted getting 98% of what he wanted.
Obama is so depressingly weak, this is why moderates can't govern.
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Moving to Spain sure looks good right now..
I've been contemplating it for quite some time now. =\
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ShaDoWLesS
I don't see this as the Dems fault at all. It was these new tea party freshman who are truly ignorant on poilicy matters demanding unrealistic things like a balanced budget amendment to the constitution, no tax increases and massive spending cuts (which weren't the right things to cut). Boehnner basically sucked them all off, and admitted getting 98% of what he wanted.
Obama is so depressingly weak, this is why moderates can't govern.
Boehner did a shit job, tbh.
And you know nothing of policy, economics, or the constitution for that matter.
It is BOTH parties fault. Furthermore, a balanced budget amendment is what this country needs.
By your way of thinking, I'd say you are broke, in debt, and doing very poorly in your financial aspects.
If you have 1,000 dollars, guess what... You shouldn't spend more than 1,000 dollars. Plain and
Simple. Loans require interest payments and if you take a loan, be prepared to cut other areas
Of your life style in order to repay your debt. It's common sense...
If you default, be prepared to lose what you have and in this case it is especially important for the federal government to have a balanced budget, because it's not a car that risk getting repossessed... It's our country and sovereignty.
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said it before and ill say it again..
this is all leading up to another war..
they just cut spending in defense right?
watch..listen...and learn
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Bipartisanship is a fucking joke.
Anyone who believes in this two party mess should have their heads examined.
It's just a bunch of tribal warfare Ape Psychology bullshit.
Most people base their opinion off of false-knowledge, systematizing different memes together to come to some kind of coherent trope without gaining a bit of knowledge in between.
Politics is medieval religion in the 21st Century.
Real socio-political change starts on the individual level, removed from "the people".
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A.T.
First of all, we are not a democracy. We are a republic. Secondly progressives are the reason were 14.3 trillion in debt... Progressives on both sides...
Keynesian economics is bullshit and so are entitlements. Save for your own retirement or don't retire. I know it sounds harsh, but NO ONE is owed anything from the government.
no progressives are not the reason we're 14 trillion in debt. thats sounds lik you reciting some shit you heard on fox news. WE AS A COUNTRY are responsible for being 14 trillion in debt. a decade-long war in two countries is the reason, unfair tax cuts are the reason, over-spending is the reason, the ignorance of investment banks is the reason. we were 10 trillion in debt before Obama even took office.
this pointing fingers shit needs to stop immediately because it's destroying us.
there was a plan put together during the debt ceiling negotiations that was way more effective and balanced that never reached the table because it was just too late. it was put together by members of the senate working TOGETHER, and out of 49 senators who took a look at it (equally divided between dems and reps) 36 said they would vote for it. so as i said before, finding an answer isn't the problem...it's getting everyone to work together and stop bickering like children that's the problem.
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Raptor Jesus
Bipartisanship is a fucking joke.
Anyone who believes in this two party mess should have their heads examined.
It's just a bunch of tribal warfare Ape Psychology bullshit.
Most people base their opinion off of false-knowledge, systematizing different memes together to come to some kind of coherent trope without gaining a bit of knowledge in between.
Politics is medieval religion in the 21st Century.
Real socio-political change starts on the individual level, removed from "the people".
agreed, the two party system is in shambles. but it would be infinitely less so if we got the lobbyists out of washington. its the lobbying that drives such a divide between the two, and that isn't good for anyone
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I've decided we are now a third world country.